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Nan van Geloven: /* Waar vind ik de McNemar test in SPSS? */
2014-06-04T10:13:40Z
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Nan van Geloven: /* Kan ik de McNemar gebruiken bij het vergelijken van sens en spec van twee testen uitgevoerd bij dezelfde patienten ? */
2014-01-21T12:56:53Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Kan ik de McNemar gebruiken bij het vergelijken van sens en spec van twee testen uitgevoerd bij dezelfde patienten ?</span></span></p>
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Rebecca Holman at 13:35, 25 September 2013
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Nan van Geloven at 07:18, 28 August 2013
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Rebecca Holman: /* Referenties */
2013-07-16T09:03:47Z
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Rebecca Holman
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Nan van Geloven: /* Kan ik de McNemar gebruiken bij het vergelijken van sens en spec van twee testen uitgevoerd bij dezelfde patienten ? */
2012-05-12T15:14:46Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Kan ik de McNemar gebruiken bij het vergelijken van sens en spec van twee testen uitgevoerd bij dezelfde patienten ?</span></span></p>
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Nan van Geloven
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Nan van Geloven: /* Waar vind ik Kruskal Wallis in SPSS? */
2012-05-12T15:13:52Z
<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Waar vind ik Kruskal Wallis in SPSS?</span></span></p>
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Nan van Geloven
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Nan van Geloven: /* Kan ik de McNemar gebruiken bij het vergelijken van sens en spec van 2 diagnostische testen uitgevoerd bij dezelfde patienten ? */
2012-05-11T14:54:44Z
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Ik heb een vraag over het vergelijken van [[diagnostisch onderzoek#Wat_wordt_bedoeld_met_sensitiviteit_en_specificiteit.3F|sensitiviteit en specificiteit]] van verschillende diagnostische modaliteiten. De betreffende onderzoeker heeft van 2 verschillende modaliteiten de sens en spec bepaald bij dezelfde patienten. Is het mogelijk om deze statistisch te vergelijken om te concluderen dat de ene modaliteit beter is dan de ander? Zo ja, kan het met eenvoudige McNemar testen of moeten we iets anders doen?</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''Ik heb een vraag over het vergelijken van [[diagnostisch onderzoek#Wat_wordt_bedoeld_met_sensitiviteit_en_specificiteit.3F|sensitiviteit en specificiteit]] van verschillende diagnostische modaliteiten. De betreffende onderzoeker heeft van 2 verschillende modaliteiten de sens en spec bepaald bij dezelfde patienten. Is het mogelijk om deze statistisch te vergelijken om te concluderen dat de ene modaliteit beter is dan de ander? Zo ja, kan het met eenvoudige McNemar testen of moeten we iets anders doen?</div></td></tr>
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Nan van Geloven: /* Wanneer gebruik ik de McNemar toets? */
2012-05-11T14:54:23Z
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Nan van Geloven at 13:10, 12 January 2010
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